Q. What about demand shocks like COVID?
A. The shock of all shocks in aviation was COVID. At the time, we thought we were going to have real problems with payments. In fact, the economic impact turned out much better than we anticipated. Airlines cut costs everywhere except aircraft. We have a client who has been in bankruptcy for four years, but through this entire time, they have paid us every month. An airline without airplanes is nothing. And we have seen from other shocks, like the GFC and SARS, that the market gets back on track quickly. And during those slower periods, we can take a plane and reposition it anywhere. They’re true global commodities. A traveler doesn’t know if the 737 they flew from Sydney to Melbourne was flying Buenos Aires to Santiago six months ago. They’re fungible assets that can work anywhere.
Q. What’s the barrier to entry for leasing companies?
A. Globally, there’s less than 200 leasing companies active in the market. Initially, the market was dominated by the airlines who largely owned their own aircraft. Over the years, the ownership has split roughly 50-50 between airlines and leasing companies. And in the last 10 years, we’ve seen more new entrants in the industry. But the biggest challenge is establishing a presence that enables us to source deals. At AB CarVal, we stand out because of our ownership of a full-service leasing platform, Aergo Capital, who have been in the industry for 25 years. Aergo enables us to find good deals, put them on the books and then, importantly, monetise them. Through Aergo, we see about $2 billion of opportunities per month. That’s the strength, reputation and presence of Aergo Capital.
Q. Can you tell us more about the Aergo Capital platform.
A. Fred Browne and Denis O’Brien founded Aergo Capital in 1999, and in 2014 AB CarVal purchased the business. Prior to this we had service contracts with other leasing companies which were less effective. Deals are done on a principal-to-principal basis, so lessors are talking to each other all the time. I could be the best aviation guy in the world, but I can’t source the aircraft nearly as well as the team at Aergo Capital can. There are really three key groups involved – the commercial team that sources the opportunities; a financing team that raises the finance we need to acquire the aircraft; and a technical team who do the technical underwriting of the assets that we’re acquiring. They also monitor the aircraft over the life of the ownership and help monetise the asset.
Q. As an investment, how correlated is aviation leasing with airline stock or other equities, credit or alternative strategies?
A. We believe that they are totally different business models.. If an airline goes bankrupt, the aircraft itself is going to find a new home and fly somewhere else. In terms of other asset classes, aviation leasing really doesn’t correlate at all – even with other hard assets (Display). It is a strong diversifier in a broader portfolio.